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Welcome to the Valiant Living Podcast where we educate, encourage, and empower you towards a life of peace and freedom.
Valiant Living has been restoring lives and families since 2017 by providing multiple levels of care for men and their families. Fully accredited by The Joint Commission, Valiant Living has earned a national reputation as a premier treatment program, offering IOP, PHP, and recovery housing programs for men ages 26 and older. Founder and CEO MIchael Dinneen is a nationally recognized therapeutic expert, speaker, and thought leader in the behavioral health field.
On this podcast you’ll hear from the Valiant team as well as stories of alumni who are living in recovery. If you or someone you love is struggling to overcome addiction or trauma, please call us at (720)-756-7941 or email admissions@valiantliving.com We’d love to have a conversation with you!
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From Struggles to Strength: Sherry Young's Path to Healing
What happens when a life of perfectionism and control spirals into a battle with alcoholism? Join us as we explore this profound transformation with Sherry Young, a leader in addiction recovery who reveals her personal journey from unexpected addiction to inspiring resilience. Sherry recounts her pivotal moment attending her first Alcoholics Anonymous meeting after a series of car accidents, a step that marked the beginning of a life-saving recovery process. Her candid story offers a beacon of hope, emphasizing the power of surrender and community support for those facing similar struggles.
In a world where small business pressures can stifle creativity, Sherry and Michael's journey highlights the transformative power of collaboration. Discover how Sherry's introduction of Michael to a nationwide network of practitioners became vital for the survival of Valiant, redefining success in the private practice industry. Together, we unravel the need for a holistic approach to behavioral health, advocating for personalized treatment plans free from conflicts of interest. This episode envisions a future in recovery defined by grace, acceptance, and genuine connection, breaking away from rigid conventions and fostering a community committed to healing families and redefining recovery.
Well, hey everyone, welcome to the Valiant Living podcast, where we educate, encourage and empower you towards a life of peace and freedom. I'm your host, drew Powell, and I'm a grateful alumni of the Valiant Living program. Valiant Living offers hope and transformational change to men and their families struggling with addiction and mental health challenges. So on this podcast you'll hear from the Valiant team, as well as stories of alumni who are living in recovery. If you or someone you love is struggling to overcome addiction or trauma, please call us at 720-756-7941. Or you can email admissions at valiantlivingcom. We'd love to have a conversation with you, but for now, let's dive into today's episode.
Speaker 1:Well, this is a lot of fun to have what I consider a couple legends in the field. I've heard Sherry Young's name so much that I feel like I know her better than what I do, but it's an honor to have you here in person and sitting across the table here in Colorado. And then, of course, you guys just have such a great and unique partnership and relationship and I hope we can get into some of that today but doing amazing work together for a lot of people like me. So let me just say, on behalf of all the Nuggleheads out there that you've brought the treatment. Thank you for the work that you do and the collaboration between the two of you, because it's brought a lot of healing to guys like me. I won't get emotional. Yeah, we're going, we're rolling. I won't get. I won't get emotional right at the start, but thank you both of you. Thank you, sherry.
Speaker 2:I'd love to hear just a little bit of your story and how you got into a long story. Because I'm old Although I'm really blessed to have good health and I'll be 80 years old next summer and I live in Taos, new Mexico, and I ski Taos, which there's a bumper sticker in Taos and it says Taos, a four-letter word for steep. I like that and I love that, which, by the way.
Speaker 1:I don't know what I had in mind for an 80-year-old, but you're not it. Can we just say that for 80?.
Speaker 2:They almost weren't going to let me go through TSA today because they thought I was lying about that.
Speaker 1:About your age. They must have the fountain of youth somewhere out there in.
Speaker 2:Taos. Yeah, actually, the truth of the matter is, people ask me all the time what's your secret? And I say, all right, I'm going to tell you my secret, but I would not recommend it. And they say, really, what is it? And I say I think I drank so much, I pickled myself, so I was Really.
Speaker 1:So you've been living in recovery as well.
Speaker 2:So I vowed as a young child two things never to be like either one of my parents and never to be an alcoholic. And in order to avoid that happening, I really found ways to separate myself from my parents at an early age, starting at eight, at 13, I begged them to send me to boarding school, and they did Great solution. But I was a kid raising myself and then I went away to college and I chose a college based on location, away from my family, rather than academic interests, but it didn't matter, because it had resolved the one goal that I always had, which was to get away. I refused to drink, and it wasn't until I was in my late 30s, married for 13 years. At that point, four children in six years, busy, perfection, performance, just trying to keep it going. Keep it going so that I didn't have to face my past.
Speaker 2:And I got into graduate school at a Catholic university and I was so intrigued with the Catholic liturgy and the religion and I had come from a Protestant pretty heady live in my head, christianity and I felt somehow that becoming Catholic would really help ground me, and so I was taking catechism classes and one of my friends in grad school said so, sherry, if you're going to be Catholic, you have to drink. It's a requirement, really, and at that point, Catholicism is what got you into drinking At?
Speaker 1:that point. Those are my words, not yours.
Speaker 2:My marriage was, you know, falling apart. It had been for a long time, you know. But the Band-Aids, you know, I just kept, you know, pasting it together. And so I drank from the age of 38 until I was 52. And one morning I woke up and said I can't do this anymore. I found an AA meeting, which I swore I'd never do because I had a mother-in-law who had been in and out of mental institutions and had gotten sober in AA and she was actually better after she got sober. But I thought that AA was for crazy people, and that certainly was not me.
Speaker 1:We all chuckle because we know We've been there too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's for other people so it happened to be a first step meeting and I was in. It was a. It was a 24-hour club. There were a lot of street people in the meeting. It was a smoking meeting in texas, dallas, texas, okay, and I had never smoked, I had never gone to an AA meeting, and so I sat by the door and I thought, okay, if I need to leave, this will be an easy escape. And they were talking about being powerless over alcohol and I knew I was In the last year of drinking. I had had six car accidents. The first one I flew off a cliff in a Miata.
Speaker 2:Goodness 140 feet in the air and lived.
Speaker 1:That's a miracle.
Speaker 2:It was a miracle there were five more accidents. All of them cost over $1,000 to repair. I had been let go by my reputable insurance company, and so I had to seek out a substandard insurance company in a poor section of town and I prided myself on being able to afford that insurance, which was over $500 a month. And when they got to the part about and our lives were, we admitted our lives were unmanageable. And I sat there and I said you know, I think my life is manageably unmanageable. I'm still holding it together. I was a pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:So I walked out of that meeting I called my daughter and told her what I'd done and she said oh, I've been to some of those. And I said you have. We were drinking buddies from time to time and she said all of my friends from grade school are in that club. I said they are. She said are you going to do it? And I said I think so. So that was the beginning and I haven't found it necessary to take a drink. I thought I was going in there to learn how to drink like a lady and I did learn that I just can't put alcohol in my body.
Speaker 1:Wow, and how many years has that been now.
Speaker 2:Uh, 27 years Amazing.
Speaker 1:Amazing. Well, I know there's probably a lot of gaps to fill in your story and there's a lot we want to get to today. But help me understand a little bit. How did you get into this space now? So you've been living in recovery but doing what you're doing now tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the graduate schooling was amazing and I ended up being offered a full tuition scholarship to get an interdisciplinary doctorate in psychology and literature.
Speaker 2:I studied under James Hillman. It was an incredible gift. And so all the time that my drinking was beginning to take me down very slowly, I might add there was this world opening up to me of ideas and myths and metaphor, and, you know, I was beginning to see things you know much less literally and on a much larger scale. And so I ended up teaching at the college level for 10 years and then directing study abroad programs in Rome, italy, for three. Wow. And after that I left the university, and I left because I just felt that they were so uncreative and that they weren't really utilizing their talent in a way that you know would have been most helpful to the. Students Loved teaching and I was good, but I just couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2:So I sort of fumbled around in many different industries for a while and found that not only was I developing a sound foundation in recovery, but I had an entrepreneurial bent, and even from the very beginning I started a consulting company, and my goal was to bring together independent creatives so that we could perform services for small companies that couldn't yet afford their own marketing departments. And in some ways that's what I do today. I just do it in the behavioral health field. So for me it's about how to put the pieces together and I found that I have an interdisciplinary mind and if I, you know I'm constantly thinking how do these pieces fit? And when I'm dealing with individuals and families who are seeking help for mental health, addiction and trauma, you know those are the questions that I ask and you know how do I help them put together?
Speaker 2:you know, a treatment opportunity that really does fit their needs and give them the opportunity for healing and transformation.
Speaker 1:Which is such a good fit with your vision and who we are here at Valiant, because it's about looking at the whole person and the family system and not just putting them through a cookie cutter thing, but really examining what do they need. We were talking about that a little bit earlier. I'd love to hear from your perspective, michael, how did you meet Sherry, what was that like, and talk a little bit about how that partnership began.
Speaker 3:Okay, so I heard about Sherry long before she knew my name and she had been an industry leader place called Elements and then she was collaborating with All Points North and Dr Michael Barta and somehow we got connected maybe an ITAP or something like that where we started talking, seeing that our visions were very related around collaboration and getting people to the right level and the right treatment centers. But over time this is one of the best things about recovery, I think, more so than working in the behavioral health field. Both are a gift. But it never occurred to me, not one time that she was an 80-year-old woman. Yeah, she always just seemed like Sherry Young, my friend who helped save Valiant.
Speaker 3:She introduced me to all of these really beautiful people that are in the industry, like high-level, intuitive and sophisticated private practitioners, that she's gone around the country and kind of can be lonely being a a private practitioner. It's something that people aspire to. Because it's my own person, I take vacations when I want, but it's a very difficult position because you're holding a lot for somebody, you're isolated. You go on vacation. It's like lawyer or doc an hour on on the field or an hour off the field is an hour. I'm not getting paid, so there's just a ton of pressure.
Speaker 3:And she kind of went around the country and started creating pockets, community like in Dallas, oklahoma City, chicago, st Louis of really good people, like-minded people that really enjoy and respect each other and create a community With that. People just call her for, like hey, I'm struggling with this particular situation, can you advise me right? So she's kind of a go-to person and so we started talking about where valiant was headed and that's how we hooked up professionally. Okay, um, we connected professionally on that, but I think as as important because it was really important to keep the doors open at valiant during uh and being introduced to these people that have become really trusted referral sources and if we continue to do good work, they'll continue to refer but also the friendship piece and realizing that God puts people in your life when you need them.
Speaker 3:And I was going to say this tonight. But I would say that she could be the number one reason why Valiant survived during a very difficult time. I've heard you say that before that's 60 families that would have been deeply affected if we didn't have the right clients and like sometimes you could have a great product and not have any visibility.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'd be the best kept secret, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And so I've have a deep respect now for marketers and business people and and consultants and and consultants and and uh be that I used to kind of um in some ways, uh judge pretty heavily. Uh, now I judge a lot less, knowing what it takes behind the scenes to run a company and the the pressure financially that is on some of us that choose to be like what we would call a small business in this industry. It's probably like anything else Like even though I appreciate Costco when you're a small business guy and you have a, you know then, and you're competing against Walmart and Costco, it's daunting. It's daunting, yeah. And so you need the Sherry Youngs in the world to connect you to the right people that say we're looking for more of a family niche, non-cookie cutter, unique, and so Sherry's kind of been that catalyst for Valiant to get national visibility.
Speaker 3:And yeah, so that's a long answer to so grateful on so many levels to have her in my life.
Speaker 1:I want to dig in on the collaboration piece a little bit more. But, Sherry, I'm curious what comes up for you when you hear Michael say that.
Speaker 2:I'm deeply honored. But, michael, the first time I remember meeting you was when you presented at ITAP and I sat in on that presentation and I think I remember passing out books or something or just doing something for you and I was so blown away by your presentation and I thought I need to know this guy. He works with heart.
Speaker 1:Yes, well said.
Speaker 2:And that's really what I look for in people and that has never changed. And valiant is. It is an amazing treatment program and the men and women who work here, Michael, are really reflections of you know, that heart that you have. So they're not here because they need a job. You know they might show up and last a month or two, but people who have a passion for this work and for collaboration with others, whose egos don't have to be stroked all the time.
Speaker 3:Right. Yeah, it's amazing. You just kind of summed up how Drew came on board. He showed up at my house. I was isolating in the back, worried about something, and doing exactly what I tell other people not to do.
Speaker 3:Reach out, be real, connect, ask for help. I was hiding and he showed up with his wife at my house just to say thank you, that their family was put back together, that that he had this like beautiful marriage, that that that they were still and that these kids, that he's re-engaged with his children. And he just wanted to say thank you and by the end of the conversation I was like we going to find a way to work together because of the heart the heart, the passion right, you can feel it.
Speaker 3:So I think three of us may have a similar quality in that we can identify. We can identify people that we're drawn to, that we want to collaborate with and we're not afraid to put ourselves out there and say, like you said, like we want to collaborate with and we're not afraid to put ourselves out there and say, like you said, like we need to connect.
Speaker 2:We need to connect, you know Well. And then too, to go back to my earlier story about the university, you know, I mean, what a pool of incredible talent and knowledge and brainpower. Right, and there was no collaboration. I can't tell you how many of my colleagues committed suicide while I was working there. The isolation of being a college professor was so great, and I worked there as an adjunct and as a lecturer, and so I was teaching five classes a semester, both semesters, and my colleagues who were full professors were teaching one class every other semester and making eight to ten times what I was making. So, as a college professor with a PhD, I never made over $26,000 a year and I continued to do it. A because I was married and.
Speaker 2:I could, and B because I loved it and I had a passion for it, and B because I loved it and I had a passion for it. So you step outside those boxes and you come together with like-minded people and then creativity starts to make things happen and we think, well, what if we did it this way, or what if we did this? And one of the things you know, like I recoil when I hear the word business development or marketer, you know, there I mean there's nothing salesy about me, you know, but I am passionate about certain things. But I am passionate about certain things. And so if I'm selling, anything, it's the idea of collaboration.
Speaker 2:I love that I don't talk about outreach. I talk about building a trusted network of relationships in a way that is mutually beneficial. Mutually beneficial, so when I'm calling on these clinicians who are isolated in their own practices, I think how can I bring these people together in a way that would benefit each of them and give them an opportunity to refer to one another? How can we refer to them Not just when are you going to send us somebody for treatment? So that whole concept of reciprocity bears absolutely no weight with me.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 1:Well, and it kills the scarcity mindset around. Hey, we all have to be greedy when we're all collaborating and we're all giving Michael, you were talking about this earlier. There's so much beauty in the fact that there is enough. There's enough for all of us as we collaborate and we work together, and I think that's just a different way of thinking and being, that it's a better way, and it just allows for all of us to realize hey, there's plenty of people in need, plenty of people to help, and we don't have to have that scarcity mindset around it.
Speaker 2:In fact, it's even more than that we can embrace an abundance mindset.
Speaker 1:I love that.
Speaker 2:Not just enough, it's abundant.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's amazing Sort of why, in some ways, why we created this little niche where it's like there's a lot of programs out there, good ones, that really hit that 18 to 26 year old, that is, could be stuck or failure to launch, or addicted to opiates, or something's going on where they just need a lot of activity.
Speaker 3:They need brotherhood, they need structure, they need accountability, they need connection, they need to know that there's a future, they need to know there's some hope. Right, and I'm not necessarily saying that we couldn't do that, but what I am saying is we've created a niche more for a middle-aged guy who's struggling in his marriage, who has high intelligence and some narcissistic traits, with some childhood trauma meets a little depression, anxiety, meets a little substance, meets some behavioral disorders around finance, sex, you know, food, you know whatever, whatever. And then catch that guy at a turning point to say how could we, how could we reorient your entire life and your psyche so that you can create, recreate yourself? So your best years are ahead of you. So you're 60 years old, what if you were on this planet till you're 90 and the 30 best years are still still ahead. That's right.
Speaker 3:So that's where so we've created that niche where we're only taking the 12 apostles or the dirty dozen. We're only taking 12 guys at a time where we're where we're honing in on their life, on every aspect of their life, and there's some outliers We've had younger guys come through that have been along the line, but that's the beauty of the program you get to discern and the team gets to discern.
Speaker 1:Hey, we think we can help this guy, we can make a difference for this person.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 1:So that's part of the freedom of looking at every individual and every family system. I also know there's been plenty of people you turn away where you're like this is not the right, whereas financially probably make it be better to take them, but he's like, no, we can't. We can't serve you well, but this, this other company, this other place could serve you better than we can. And I think that's that's what makes, in my opinion and I'm biased cause I'm, you know, a raving fan of Valiant but that's what makes this place special, because you're not just a number, you're not just another, you know, head in a bed, it's it's. You care about us, you care about the story, you care about my family, you care about my kid.
Speaker 1:I'm like I'm out here right now, my daughter's with me. The one who wrote the most scathing impact letter of all time is with me on this trip and we've got a beautiful relationship today because Valiant was willing to jump on the phone with my kids. It's like that is special and, I think, a beautiful part of this partnership and I'm curious if we could talk practically. How does this work with you guys? How does the partnership and the collaboration work?
Speaker 3:She'll just talk straight to people like this. Person is more mental health heavy and, yes, valiant's savvy, but there's a better place, since she's a clinician, she's a CSAT, she understands recovery, she understands the industry. So those of us that have been around for 30 years can just look at the x-rays a lot of times and say, okay, there's where the tumor is.
Speaker 3:It's what helps you cut through the stuff so quick because it's like, yeah, you've seen it, yeah, you know, I could imagine she's staying on the phone, I could imagine for an hour, but she knows in 10 minutes what it basically where she's going to recommend. But people need to feel heard and they need to know that you're listening to the details. She's patient, she stays on the phone with them and then, then and and. So that's not to answer for you, but it's like a. It's like a. You've been around enough that you, you know the family dynamic meets the mental health needs, meets the addiction, and you start to. You start to get a feel. And then you've been through enough programs. Sherry and I have been toward enough programs where we, we know within a half a day who would fit at that program.
Speaker 1:So your mind's already pinging off on like, oh, I got a person, or this kind of person.
Speaker 3:People think you're a miracle worker, but you're just kind of like we're at the peak of our careers, where she knows and it's not because she's brilliant although she is it's because she knows, because she's been through 50 programs.
Speaker 3:And you've been through all these like uh, professional programs, like, but you have to go through them a lot because there's high turnover in this industry. So if sherry and I aren't hustling around the country, the reality is is they may not even be the same place well, it goes back to begin why relationship is so important.
Speaker 1:Because you guys have this kind of sacred trust between the two of you that when you refer someone here, that Michael's going to deliver on what we've promised, what we've said, and if you go away, it's a big deal. Because now that's where a lot of the trust is. You know and it speaks to the relational part of the programming why the connection is so important. Right, I mean, that's what I'm hearing at least. I could be wrong, but I feel like that connection is vital to replacement. You can drink the water if you want, sorry.
Speaker 2:No, you're fine.
Speaker 1:Take a little sip. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely um, can you guys give us like a 155 warning too? So we're not looking at our clocks, but I know they have things they have to get to, so just give us what time? Is it right now, thank you, yeah, just kind of give a little wave when we're at how we do five till two. Great, okay, you're doing awesome yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So, um, you know, thing about Valiant that I love the most is their ability they're nimble and their ability to individualize treatment. So you know we've used the word cookie cutter. This is anything but a cookie cutter and that doesn't mean that they don't have, you know, an overarching program and a framework. You know every business has to have that, but that they're able to customize it and you know, and individualize it for each person based on what their real needs are. And you know, and individualize it for each person based on what their real needs are. And you know that's what happens, you know, when I'm listening to someone, you know.
Speaker 2:Let me point out also that there's a distinction between marketing people who represent one treatment center. Their responsibility is to get people into that treatment center and there's nothing wrong with that. But because of my interdisciplinary bent, I like figuring out all of the options and where this might be the best fit. So right now I have three clients that I work with, you know, on a monthly basis, I can offer all of my consulting and educational services to individuals and families at no cost, and so I can't tell you the number of people who say how can I compensate you? This has been so incredibly helpful helping people navigate the world of behavioral health when they're in crisis, when their family is falling apart, and I say you can't, and I know that there's going to be a cost for treatment, and it is such a gift for me as a professional to be able to give that to them and pass these services along to them.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, it takes away, not that it can't be done well and in a healthy way, but I like your model because it takes away the conflict of interest of I'm just trying to place this person in my program because I'm going to get money or a cut or whatever you get to serve these families and it frees you up to really honestly do what's best for the family Right To move them into that and you kind of move that component and I would think for me that it would be so rewarding to be able to do it that way. Oh Because then to be able to offer that to them.
Speaker 2:You know it's so great and you know I I mean, I've never done otherwise, even when I worked for a single treatment center when I started in this industry in 2006,. You know there would be people that I would think this is just not the best fit for that person. And that's when I would reach out to my colleagues across the country and ask questions and get their feedback and, you know, use them as a sounding board and, you know, helping me discover other options for individuals. So even back then, in 2006, I was doing this and it's the same way today. I was doing this and it's the same way today. You know, just, I get to refer to a lot of places, but my stronghold of collaboration is the three clients that I work with, and you know they refer to one another which is such a gift.
Speaker 1:That's cool, so we have a few minutes left. I'd love to hear from both of you just as we wrap and, by the way, thank you for your time. I know both of you are incredibly busy and helping people, so the fact that you would sit down with us for this time is really meaningful. I'd love to, since you guys are both pioneers in the industry in a lot of ways and leaders. If you're kind of peeking into the future here and you're looking into what is this industry in the next three years, five years, 10 years, especially when it comes to collaboration, what are your dreams for this space? What do you hope to see more of, less of, or kind of give us a window into what's next?
Speaker 3:My hope is that we start looking inside the recovery rooms, inside treatment centers, churches, everywhere into the mirror. You know, like the whole Jesus, take the plank out of your own eye before you take the speck out of I think we're so interested in. Sadly um the rooms sometimes are like well, you just bought yourself a $30,000 big book, right? So there's sometimes like someone from AA criticizing treatment, someone from treatment criticizing.
Speaker 2:AA.
Speaker 3:If you find Jesus, then you don't need the rest of this. If you find yoga, you don't need any of it. And it's like wait a second. And then we're like well, jesus will save your soul, this will save your ass. I think Jesus would have you save your ass.
Speaker 3:But what I would love for us to see is that we're all on the same team. We're all on the same team NA, aa, treatment, mega churches, dharma, dharma, recovery. We're all on the same team. We're trying to save families, we're trying to save souls and we're trying to redefine at least I am trying to help redefine what recovery really looks and feels like.
Speaker 3:So it's like what is true healing and recovery? Well, it's not about I never did this again, I never F-bombed again, I never raised my voice again, I never smoked again. It's more about when we mess up, how quickly do we reengage? And we don't burn the house down. We actually look for the forgiveness, we look for the redemption. We, we look, we get out of the shame cycle, we, we, we come out from isolation, we get through the pride, we out ourselves, we throw ourselves under the bus, we get back on the field, we get over ourselves and we get back into recovery and we look towards God again and we accept. We accept that we are. We're living in grace. We are living in grace.
Speaker 3:So if, if we can come to that conclusion as an industry, then we'll be, we'll be a lot more less interested in oh my gosh, I can't believe that you drank a near beer, uh and, and that you're defying our version of what recovery looks like. We're going to start looking through the lens of how's your connection? How are you doing? Are you moving forward? Are you re-engaged? So it's more of a, it's more of a like can we step out for a second and look at? I think there's some humility that comes from being a fundamentalist at one point. You know, step Nazi big book thumper guy.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And then I'll take. I'll take you out Like people. I probably have more stories about that. Right when Dineen was super kind like I will go for the jugular. So the reality is is, how can we work through our codependence to realize that we can't produce outcomes? All we can do is love and set and set the tone and give opportunities for healing. So how do we do that as an industry? How do we do that as individuals? How do we collaborate? So that would be my kind of final words in this conversation would be redefine what recovery looks and feels like. Get over ourselves and look in the mirror. Stop looking outward and comparing ourselves to other places.
Speaker 1:So good, man Right. So good, yeah, sherry, anything you would add to that?
Speaker 2:You know. So I see a lot going on in the treatment industry and big investor corporations are coming in and you know opening treatment centers and buying treatment centers and acquiring treatment centers and then branching out. And you know going into communities where they're providing IOP and intensive outpatient and services that already exist in the communities and, frankly, that breaks my heart. It's the big mega. You know treatment programs that want to be all things to all people and you know I just want to say look, there's a place for every one of us. Why can't we just honor one another and give each other a piece of the pie?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, guys, thank you for modeling this for us, cause I feel like the way of the future is in collaboration. It's in doing this together and, like you said, realizing that we've got. We've got more in common. We can do more together than we can separate, so thanks for being an example of that.
Speaker 2:Thanks, brother, appreciate it, thank you.
Speaker 1:Well, we appreciate you listening to this episode of the Valiant Living Podcast and our hope is that it helped you feel educated, encouraged and even empowered on your journey towards peace and freedom. If we can serve you or your loved one in any way, we'd love to have a conversation with you. You can call 720-756-7941 or email admissions at valiantlivingcom. At Valiant Living, we treat the whole person so you not only survive, but you thrive in the life you deserve. And finally, if this episode has been helpful to you, it would mean a lot to us if you'd subscribe and even share it with your friends and family. You can also follow along with us on Instagram and Facebook by simply searching Valiant Living. Thanks again for listening and supporting the Valiant Living podcast. We'll see you next week.
